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Pick up some pieces of heart that have been lying around. More often than not those things are good quick fixes. We've got plenty laying around in this archive, so please take your pick of anything you'd like. (This is the archive of The Heart Container, ZW.org's community problem and discussion center, and Hyrule Castle, the bug reporting and feedback section.)


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Sandbox

Can a somebody add the sandbox, the character page and the Trouble Center to the navigation box.--Link hero of light 18:38, 18 January 2008 (EST)

This page and sandbox added. I'm not convinced that the Zelda Wiki.org:Character Page has any real value or purpose. --Adam (talk) 18:53, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Plumm

Can someone find or take a picture of Plumm and add it to his page. I've looked every where but I just can't seem to find one.--Link hero of light 21:58, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Done. I can't resist a challenge, and this... wasn't one. Found it in less than 60 seconds on YouTube. Also, this is an article-specific problem and should have been posted here. Anyway, take your pick, and I'll delete the unused ones:
Plumm1.jpg
Plumm3.jpg
PlummLame.jpg
--Adam (talk) 03:31, 19 January 2008 (EST)
P.S. I know they're hardly great quality, but better than nothing? ;)

Upload Dungeon Images?

Can someone upload images for the Dungeons in Phantom Hourglass so that its dungeon page can use the gallery format that the other dungeon pages use? --Hisak 15:05, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Done. It would be nice if someone could do the same for the Minish Cap dungeons, since only the Palace of Winds has a proper image. --Adam (talk) 16:57, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Please Delete

Can someone delete the image andrewsutton--Sutty08 17:10, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Done. --Adam (talk) 17:18, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Navigation box?

Now that the names been changed, the name in the navigation box needs to be changed also. Can someone do that.--Link hero of light 19:16, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Done ;) --Adam (talk) 16:52, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Archive for Problems

Can we have a Problem Center archive or something similar so we don't have to look through the history to see previous problems? --Hisak 22:33, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Okay, I'll work on it.--Link hero of light 14:03, 20 January 2008 (EST)
It's done.--Link hero of light 14:16, 20 January 2008 (EST

Reference Desk

We have Hyrule Castle for wiki-related questions, can a place for zelda related questions be created? The two biggest wikis, Wikipedia and Wikitionary both have one. It would be neat if it could be called: Zora's Domain.--Link hero of light 20:15, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Wouldn't questions of that nature just go in their respective talk pages? --Ando 20:41, 29 January 2008 (EST)
It's a nice idea, and I can see why the Reference Desk would be useful at wikipedia, with the sheer amount of content. However, we're a small wiki and it's quite easy to find whatever content you may be looking for (and if it's not, then that should be identified and worked on). As such, I think Ando is right; any zelda-related questions should be dealt with via article/user talk pages. --Adam (talk) 07:39, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Well I was thinking more like "how do I get into the sacred grove" questions. Would a question like that belong on a talk page?--Link hero of light 20:40, 30 January 2008 (EST)

No, it would belong on a messageboard at Gamefaqs! Just kidding (sort of) - first and foremost, this is and will always be an encyclopedia, not a walkthrough or a forum. For example, if I wanted a list of the location and method for obtaining every piece of heart in Majora's Mask, for example, I'd go here. I wouldn't ask that question on a talk page here; it's a class of information which (as I see it) doesn't belong here. Nor would I expect it to be the kind of information found at Wikipedia's Reference Desk (one specific statement stands out to me: "The reference desk will not give you answers for your homework, although we will try to help you out if there is a specific part of your homework you do not understand.") The distinction between help and information, although slight, is important. If anyone else disagrees with me, please do say so, as I'm under no illusions that my opinion is the only correct one! But for me, adding something of this nature would dilute the true purpose of the wiki, and give a false impression of what we are trying to achieve. --Adam (talk) 13:45, 31 January 2008 (EST)
I agree with Adam here to an extent. While I think that a certain amount of "game help" on a page isn't out of the question, it shouldn't go too overboard with it. I think that stuff such as a listing of Pieces of Heart in an area's page (such as North Clock Town, an article to which I'm not biased towards at all) is totally fine, because that information is short, sweet, and within the realm of info of the wiki; but to me the information on the Piece of Heart page itself (in which there's a whole listing of the locations for Pieces of Heart in Twilight Princess) is a little overboard. --Ando 14:15, 31 January 2008 (EST)
Slightly off-topic, but I've added some links to content at StrategyWiki (I forget where exactly, but basically anywhere you see this icon, other than game pages, which include it by default). In short, I think we can all agree that any extensive/comprehensive walkthrough-style lists don't really belong here, and this way our articles are more in keeping with the style of the wiki, while all the info is just a click away and still in wiki format. Neat, huh? --Adam (talk) 02:59, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Oracle of Ages/Seasons

Something I've been thinking about for a while. If someone clicks on Oracle of Ages or Oracle of Seasons, they're taken to that game's page. I was thinking that maybe the two pages should be a disambiguation page linking to the game and game's respective Oracle. That way, anyone looking for the oracle as opposed to the game could find her. I would have just done it, but this would require any link to "Oracle of Ages/Seasons" to be rewritten to the full "The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of X", so I figure it's too big a decision to just do it. Thoughts? --Ando 16:42, 8 February 2008 (EST)

You mean it doesn't already do that? I was already "correcting" that in all the Oracle pages I've edited because I assumed it was a disamb page already... So of course, I agree. --Douken 16:56, 8 February 2008 (EST)
Absolutely. The two lists of articles to target when rewriting links are here:
Once the number of pages that link to these has been reduced somewhat, the disambiguation pages can be put in place. --Adam (talk) 01:45, 9 February 2008 (EST)
A large part of the list is composed of Magic Rings, so I'll continue work on those. --Douken 08:06, 9 February 2008 (EST)

Awesome. I've started work on that, as anyone who's looked at the Recent Changes page knows. :P Just remember: anyone doing this, mark the edits as minor so that anyone who doesn't want to see three pages full of link fixes can "Hide minor edits". --Ando 17:54, 10 February 2008 (EST)

While we're editing a bunch of OoA/OoS articles anyway, add the "Placed in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons (or Ages)" category to any uncategorized locations. --Douken 18:14, 10 February 2008 (EST)

Hey, yeah. And I guess any other categories necessary ("characters in oox", "enemies in oox", etc.). --Ando 18:35, 10 February 2008 (EST)

Nice job guys! I guess at some point something similar will need to be done for the other games (i.e. creating properly formatted piped links). But for now, I'd say that you deserve a rest! --Adam (talk) 02:59, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Reference Standardizing

I think we need to standardize the format in which references appear. Some of them appear as such:

"My name is Ando. For reals." -Andoman (Zelda Wiki)

Others like this:

No, seriously, you guys. Ando. S'true. -Andoman (The Legend of Zelda: Zelda Wiki)

Amongst many other variations with varying amounts of italics and piped links and quotation marks. My personal favorite method of doing it is

"IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME I WILL PUNCH YOU." - Andoman (Zelda Wiki)

But we need a standardized method of doing this so that the wiki doesn't actually look like 100 different people wrote it. Ideas? --Ando 17:08, 11 February 2008 (EST)


Yeah, you have a point... Personally, I think it should be:
"Hadouken." -Ryu (Zelda Wiki)
That seems to be the format most official sources I've read use, and it provides more of a barrier between the quote itself and whoever said it. --Douken 17:25, 11 February 2008 (EST)


Hm... I approve of that particular format. Well then, I suppose that as we come across quotes from now on we should modify them to fit this format? --Ando 21:00, 11 February 2008 (EST)


This would be great, as it would mean that manually formatted quotes will match those produced by the {{quote|A|B}} template. The only difference is that the template uses an elongated hyphen " — ", which looks a little better in my opinion. --Adam (talk) 00:54, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Interesting... Think there's any way to get maybe a standardized reference coding going on (maybe something like {{ref|"Quote"|Person ([[Game]])}}, wherein the italics and elongated hyphen might be added by the Wiki software)? If so, sounds like it could be a plan. --Ando 11:14, 12 February 2008 (EST)

That's already the format used by the {{quote}} template I mentioned above, i.e it italicises the quoted text and adds the elongated hyphen. The only difference is that it doesn't format/link the text in "B" (game/person), and places it on the line below the quote itself. I guess maybe I could make another quote template which formats the text exactly as agreed above, but it still couldn't be used for every quote; those which are used inside <ref> tags mess up the formatting of the references section if the quote template is used, so they'd still need to be formatted manually unfortunately. —Adam (talk) 15:09, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Dang. How to add the longer hyphen then (easily, at least; I highly doubt many people are going to search the site for the longer hyphen then copy and paste)? --Ando 17:41, 12 February 2008 (EST)

I just created a new template to do it. Just add {{-}} (that's a single standard hyphen between two curly brackets/braces) and it will substitute the long hyphen. Hopefully that shouldn't cause any formatting concerns :) --—Adam (talk) 01:55, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Excellent. Will do from now on. --Ando 12:16, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I've gone a step further and written a new template. Cite does all the formatting, and automatically creates the game and speaker links. It's quite spefific, but it should work well within <ref> tags. —Adam (talk) 16:57, 13 February 2008 (EST)


Logo

If you go to Yahoo's homepage, there is a red Y up in the website address bar. Or in Google's case, a G. Wikipedia has their logo in the box too. I know this is used only for major sites, but I thought it would be cool if the E in Zeldawiki's address box could be replaced with ZW.org's logo. Tell me if I confused you.--Link hero of light 21:31, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Actually, there SHOULD be already one uploaded and working. I have no idea why it's not, but it's already there. It's just... not working. Which is very weird. --Jase 07:28, 13 February 2008 (EST)
Update: Favicon is now working correctly. —Adam (talk) 14:53, 17 February 2008 (EST)


Merging pages

First of all, this is a really great idea. I've been in this community barely a month and I already felt there was a need for a talk page about problems of the whole wiki.

Ok, so now, the problem: there are many different pages that should be really the same page. I'm in the process of merging them (Bombs so far, and halfway through Potions), but I haven't had much time since I came back to school, and plus, my keyboard doesn't always cooperate, making it a lot more difficult. So while I probably will end up doing some of those, I put them here so people an find out and fix them too, since problems like these are hard to find (I've found most through moments of boredom, while I click on 'Random Page' endlessly, lol.)

So, here are some of the multiple pages to be merged I've found:

Phew, that was a lot, though there are probably more. Anyway, IMO you can't make a good page without much to talk about, so merging these multiple empty pages will end up in fewer good pages. Quality vs. quantity, basically. -Memo326 20:30, 20 January 2008 (EST)

I don't know if Ordon Village and Ordon Ranch should be merged. From what I can remember, the Ranch is never actually said to actually be a part of Ordon Village. --Hisak 22:24, 20 January 2008 (EST)
I think for the islands, like Outset and Dragon Roost, there should be a section for landmarks. And then they should just simply state them. The Triangle Isles should be merged into one page as well.--Green 12:34, 21 January 2008 (EST)
I don't think the Triangle Isles should be merged due to the fact that they are three seperate islandsand aren't even anywher close to each other. They all take different pearls, and I believe there's a Korok and a wilted Deku Sprout on one of them. I don't think Fairy Forest or Aryll's Lookout should be merged because they're different places that actually have a purpose in the game and are part of the storyline. Green's idea is pretty good though. Ordon Ranch and Ordon Village definitely should not merged. I think Pictobox and Pictograph box should should be merged.--Icytriforc 21:03, 22 January 2008 (EST)
I agree, Green's suggestion is a good one. With that in mind, I'd agree with the Outset and Dragon Roost merges. Also definitely yes to Picto___ (I was gonna do that myself, but not sure under what title?) Less sure about the rest, but if done properly it could work. Maybe a discussion is needed at Talk:Picto Box about format/structure? --Adam (talk) 15:56, 23 January 2008 (EST)
Ok, I've merged the picto pages under Pictography; not entirely happy with it yet, it's sort of a work-in-progress. Now that most of the above has been completed, maybe it's time to turn our attention to the other articles to be merged? —Adam (talk) 18:13, 23 February 2008 (EST)
I've merged all of the Triangle Isles pages. Turning my attention now to the other articles to be merged. --Ando (Talk) 09:31, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Huge Galleries

Articles such as Midna have giant galleries. I'm always wary of these types of things getting big because there are (although not many) users who still have slower connections, plus the galleries take up a lot of space. I think something for pages with galleries like these should be given the treatment that Link got, and have their galleries moved to a separate page. --Jase 21:35, 23 January 2008 (EST)

I did it for Midna.--Link hero of light 23:46, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Soul Calibur II and the CD-i games

I know that they aren't "technically" Zelda games, but I think that we should be giving Soul Calibur II and the CD-i games the same amount attention we've (I've) been giving the Smash Bros. games. If there's anyone with extensive knowledge of any of these games, could you create/improve pages for the characters and locations of these games? --Hisak 00:23, 10 February 2008 (EST)

I agree. I don't really focus on the non-canon Zelda info myself, plus I highly doubt anyone here actually has any of the CD-i games... The main reason I don't mess with the non-Zelda pages is because I don't necessarily agree with the Wiki's policies on non-Zelda content (full pages on Mario, Lucario, etc.? seriously?), so I probably wouldn't be good for that. Anyone else could, though. :P --Ando 16:56, 10 February 2008 (EST)
Did you know that, other than a site in french, were one of the only sources of information on the internet for the CD-i games (outside of wikipedia)? Yes, they're horrendously badly made, and the information in them isn't canon, and they're not part of the series... but surely denying their existence is censorship? A lot of the stuff we have didn't even exist a year ago, but I did some research (during which I laughed a lot. And died inside a little...) and created some basic info. Others have added information on the key characters, but it certainly needs to be improved. I may create a small template to link all the pages. (P.S. I know zero about Soul Calibur, so I can't comment). --Adam (talk) 02:59, 11 February 2008 (EST)
Maybe I should re-phrase my statement. I really only don't focus on non-canon content because I don't own any of the games. If I owned the games I'd be editing up a storm, believe me, but those things are expensive and I just don't have the funds.
May... maybe if anyone is willing to donate to the "Ando Wants the CD-i Games" fund? :D I'd buy 'em in a heartbeat. I've been wanting to play them anyway. :P--Ando 12:49, 11 February 2008 (EST)
Understood. Word of warning though; heed the advice of the french guy I mentioned, given here in the conclusion. The games and consoles are horrendously expensive, and looking at the videos on youtube I don't think anyone could honestly enjoy playing these games? --Adam (talk) 14:00, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Well actually, someone on amazon gave the Wand of Gamelon 4 stars[1]. But I agree, Soul Calibur and the CDi games should be given attention. I also think that The Legend of Zelda games template should have a new section called "Philips CD-i games", then under it have the Wand of Gamelon, Zelda's adventure and the Faces of Evil. But I can't be of much help on giving the articles attention, I don't own the games you see. :-(--Link hero of light 18:48, 12 February 2008 (EST)

the cdi games should be merged with sc 2 to a non cannon article----— Preceding unsigned comment added by Onilink911 (talk) 00:49, 17 March 2008

Not really, no. The CD-i games are totally separate games. While not canon, they most certainly are their own Zelda games, and deserve their own pages. Otherwise you could justify putting Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons into the same page, yes? --Ando (Talk) 13:53, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Questions

I'm probably just stupid, but I didn't find anywere were I could post my question. My question was wether or not you would like me to expand your SSB, SSBM and SSBB pages. But my current question is, were should I post this question?

I'm sorry for postign this in the wrong place and probably waste your time. --Kohake 23:58, 30 March 2008

Hey, it's cool, don't worry about being stupid. ;) Anyway, absolutely; you don't need to ask permission to edit a page. That's the very core of what a Wiki is: a compendium of information that can be modified and contributed to by anyone. So if the main pages for those games could be fleshed out (we've been having issues with the pages being nothing but lists), that would be awesome. Just be sure to keep it within the realm of Zelda Wiki's non-Zelda content policies, and you should be good.
(P.S. Hyrule Castle is for questions related to how-to-use-the-wiki; The Heart Container is for overall major article questions.) --Ando (T : C) 21:37, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

My question was acutally where such a question as min should be posted, and yeah I know how a Wiki works, I just wanted to know if it was a good idea since I could wirte a bunch of text about every singel character but I didn't want to fill pages with info which wouldn't belong on a Zelda Wiki. I am pleased with the answers you gave though. Thank you. --Kohake 17:42, 31 March 2008

Spoilers

I was going to write the new characters for SSBB that were related to the Zelda games when I started thinking, "is it okay to spoil the unlockable characters". I mean, if it was was one of the older Zelda games I wouldn't worry, but since it's A new game and very many haven't got the game but are planning to do so. Should I write the unlockable characters or atleast wait untill it's realeasd in Europe. --Kohake 18:00, 31 March 2008

Absolutely add the unlockable characters. The Wiki is around to provide all the information is possibly can, not to wait around until it is convenient for others. Plus, we have the nifty {{spoiler}} tag that can be used to notify someone of an oncoming spoiler. --Ando (T : C) 01:08, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Image Stuff

I really must get 'round to writing some kinda manual to all the procedures in this place... but until I have a spare week I'll dump this here so it can be found later :) --Adamcox82 19:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I found an image of the Oracles Library here: http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Zelda08/Items/BookOfSeals.png I don't fully understand the protocols with images. Is it eligible?Axiomist 20:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Totally. Go on ahead and upload it, making sure to use the proper Image Templates as necessary. --Ando (T) 20:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I can't seem to do it, I've never added an image from another site to here. Any tips?:PAxiomist 20:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Uh-oh! Looks like it's time for ANDO'S HOW TO UPLOAD IMAGES TO THE DANG WIKI 101 !!
  1. Save the image to your computer.
  2. Click "Upload File" on the bar to the left on the Wiki.
  3. Click "Browse", find the image, and select it.
  4. "Upload"!
That should be it, if'n I remembered correctly. --Ando (T) 20:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh. I forgot something. Um.
ANDO'S HOW TO UPLOAD IMAGES TO THE DANG WIKI 101 !!
PART TWO: ADDING THE IMAGES TO A PAGE ON A WIKI, BECAUSE THAT IS WHY YOU UPLOADED IT
  1. Begin editing the page in question.
  2. Throw [[Image:whateveryourimageis.png]] in the page where you think it should go.
  3. Be sure to use "Show preview" before saving the page, to make sure that the image is appearing correctly.
And THAT should be it. --Ando (T) 20:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, ONE more quick question. Where do we denote it as a found image? I was reading the templates and such.Axiomist 20:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, me here, and here's (yes a knockoff from Ando, but)
SEABLUE254'S HOW TO GIVE CREDIT TO IMAGES ON THE DANG WIKI 101 !!
  1. Go to the Image Templates and pick out the correct one.
  2. Choose it, go to you image, edit, and place the name of the template in between "{{ and }}"
  3. If it has any {{{1}}}'s or {{{2}}}'s, write the { and } with {{name|item|item2|etc.}}
  4. Check to see if it's good.
  5. And that should do it! --David
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