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Sorry about having to revert your edit to Jabu-Jabu. The resemblance between Jabu-Jabu and the Wind Fish has been noted since even before Oshus was created, and just because in your opinion he looks closer to the new character does not mean the resemblance isn't there. No hard feelings? Dinosaur bob 17:01, 7 November 2007 (EST)
Maybe we could put the rumor instead in a Trivia section, as it IS such a well-known speculation, and present your evidence refuting it? And also, not yelling at you, but you responded on my userpage, not my talk page. Little nitpick. I'll edit over your responses for you, but just a note for the future. And glad there're no hard feelings. ;) Dinosaur bob 17:20, 7 November 2007 (EST)
Thanks for your input on the Golden Goddesses page. I'm trying to make it a more complete article, but no one else seems interested. Feel free to add info and references. I'm trying to cite a lot of the info on the page, so help is appreciated. --Farewell to Gibdos 23:13, 19 January 2008 (EST)
Connections between the Golden Goddesses and the Elements.
The connection between Nayru, water, and the Zoras is been made several times, aside from the simple color similarity. One of the primary examples of this is Nayru's Pearl, held by Jabun, the water spirit, has the image of Zora's Sapphire, the spiritual stone of water, engraved in it. There may be some uncertainty, but the connection there is undeniable.
Kaepora Gaebora is indeed a raptor, but he is never directly associated with the virtue of wisdom, either. The Rito, however, are associated with Din: they hold the Din's pearl, and so is Eldin, the light spirit named for her. The Gorons are also associated with Din, they are fire and earth elementals, and they hold the Spiritual Stone of Fire, another connection to the Goddess Din.
Farore is associated with forests; Farore's pearl lay with the Deku tree, in the Deku forest, and the Kokiri's Emerald as well. There are many connections between the Goddesses and their respective elements and peoples, and I will do my best to cite them within the article.--Farewell to Gibdos 17:39, 22 January 2008 (EST)
why have you just gone and merged the bloat artical and where on the website does it say shadow insect queen--Zanramon 16:43, 29 January 2008 (EST)
Hey, there. I noticed your edit to the Shadow Prince page, and I was wondering why you removed the content without offering any explanation. I reverted your edit, but if you had a valid reason for removing the information, feel free to revert my revert and explain why. It's perfectly okay to remove stuff for a good reason, but if you leave edit summaries explaining this, it helps people like me to know that you aren't just blanking by mistake or whatever, okay? :)—Justin(Talk) 07:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Nakku, Degu, and Nuranuru
Hi KrytenKoro!! You seem to be Japanese, aren't you? I've got some questions about Japanese names:
- What is the Darknut japanese name: タートナック (Taato Nakku) or ダークナト (Dākunato)?? What does クナト and ナック means exactly in japanese? Is it Nut and Knuckle, or is it rather words derived from Knight?! Also a search on google gives more results related w/ darknut by using タートナック (Dāku Nakku) than ダークナト (Dāku Nato)
- I've noted that degu ("デグ") is often used in the name of bosses or mini-bosses in Japanese (for example: King Bubble, Armos Knight, Moldorm in A Link to the Past, Manhandla in Four Swords, Hot Head, Slime Eyes, and Deku Toad). What does it mean?
- I've seen here that Sluggula's name is "Nuranur" in italian and "Naranul" in spanish. Is Sluggula's japanese name Nuranuru?
Jeangabin 14:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not actually Japanese, but I'll take a crack at it.
- タートナック (Taato Nakku) could be short for "Turtle-Knuckle" or "Tart-Knuckle". It seems like a nonsense name.
- As far as I can tell, "Degu" is a made up adjective that basically means "Big". It doesn't seem to have any basis in Japanese.
- It's "ヌラヌール" (Nuranuuru). You can get the rest here.KrytenKoro 11:21, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah! Thank you very much ;) I've recently found that google can translate Japanese website!! Jeangabin 17:43, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello KrytenKoro. Thank you for you recent edits. In regards to the conflict on the Medal page, I've done a little digging and discovered a few things.
First of all, according to this article, rule number 3 indicates that experts do not agree on whether one should use numerals for numbers greater than nine. The first rule for writing numbers as indicated by the Grammar Book, which I cited earlier, is: "Spell out single-digit whole numbers. Use numerals for numbers greater than nine." The Chicago Manual of Style, which you cited, does use as a general rule the "zero through one hundred rule," though the very next link indicates that zero through nine is an acceptable alternative rule.
So basically it comes down to Zelda Wiki's Manual of Style (as this subject is indisputably stylistic, and not grammatical), and unfortunately, this topic is not addressed.
When these types of disagreements arise, where there is no "right answer," generally the best thing to do is gracefully acquiesce rather than create issues over something that can't be settled using facts alone. In this spirit, I'm obviously willing to let the matter drop, cuz it's not terribly important anyway. But in the future, you might find it beneficial to do a little more digging yourself and draw these sorts of conclusions when contradictory evidence is presented, rather than insist that your initial inclination was correct and enter into (what could potentially become) an edit war. Just a friendly reminder from someone who has been there herself! :)
- Hi again! I didn't mean to insinuate that what you did was wrong necessarily, not at all. Sorry if I came across that way. :( But in what I've observed, a situation will usually turn into something like: "Edit." "Undo edit, quote source." "Undo edit back, quote contradicting source." "Undo edit again, quote yet another source." And on and on and on. So what I usually do is make an edit, and if someone reverts my edit I'll immediately go into research mode rather than undo their reverting. It was more of sharing my findings and making a suggestion than a reprimand. :)
- As for my source, it was the website of a published resource. But that's beside the point as we both agree. =) Also, I responded here because typically we try to keep conversations to one talk page. That way if other people run across the conversation they can follow it easily! See you around!! =) —Embyr 75 --Talk-- 17:03, 13 December 2011 (EST)
I saw the link that you have posted and that was very unnecessary, the fact is that people make mistakes from time to time and it is no way necessary to link them to page filled with nonsense. You seem to know Japanese well, I know a bit of it and I'm still learning, besides, part of that post was not mine, I only added to it because part of it was already there in the trivia and it seemed to pertain to that trivia's part. Some translations in Japanese do interchange between the letters L and R, such as "Rinku" into "Link" or another one, "Kābī" into "Kirby". Thank you for the correction though and I have a question, theres a boss in FSA named Dagtail, is it the same thing as Molddorm or Degu Tail? --Vaati The Wind Demon 18:48, 9 January 2012 (EST)
Hello, KrytenKoro! Just dropping in to say, thank you for going around the wiki and updating it with the information found in Hyrule Historia... Between that book and some SS pages still not done, the wiki is bursting with activity (which is always good :D)! I haven't been keeping up with the translated contents of that book, so I'm a bit useless in that regards. Keep up the great work! Dany36 20:55, 10 January 2012 (EST)
I happened to come across this edit of yours today, and I'd like to ask you to be a little more respectful in edit summaries. Someone took the time to write that page, and we should be glad the content is there at all, even if the wording is a little strange. That's all. Cheers!—Justin(Talk) 20:02, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- Implying that having red hair is what separates the Wind Tribe from "normal humans" (which is what the passage said) is wildly offensive.
- Stating that something is worded extremely poorly to the point that it is offensive is not disrespectful of anything other than bigotry. I did not disrespect any editors, I pointed out that the phrasing they used was offensive because people need to learn to stop being offensive.
- In addition, each edit made, ever, on any wiki, has the implicit message of "this needed to be fixed". I'll not go around telling editors they're bad people (which I don't see that I did), but it's dishonest to refuse to point out errors or pretend that the previous version of a paged edited was better, because if that was true, why the heck would it get edited?KrytenKoro 15:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't find it to be terribly offensive. We're talking about a fictional world filled with magic. Certain physical characteristics often differentiate races from one another (for example, the Hylians have pointed ears). As far as the edit summary, there's no need to get angry. No one wrote the page with the intention of being offensive. I'm sorry if you took offense to it, but I assure you it was unintentional. And it's perfectly fine to point out mistakes. That's part of what edit summaries are for is to explain the mistake you are correcting. I'd just appreciate it if you'd use a little more tact in your summaries.
- Also, please keep conversations on the same page. I can easily see when you reply on here through my watchlist.—Justin(Talk) 18:44, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Kryten, you're over-reacting. I wrote that sentence with identifying the Wind Tribe as a different phenotype, not to express some wild (and ironic) prejudice. Therefore, your inference is entirely subjective, so attempting to teach people in this instance "to stop being offensive" borders on--if not openly throwing itself into--the inane. I found the accusatory nature of your edit summary to be more insulting, simply because of a premature assumption correlating description of a fictional species to a real world stigma--one which surely doesn't exist in the Zelda universe, providing an ultimately minor issue more attention than it was ever worth. Quiet rectification and notice would have been more tact.
- Surely, errors in choice may be made, but it is equally incorrect to handle it in such form. Please, express understanding towards editors when you choose to make corrections. - ＰａｋｋｕｎT S C 19:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- I made a half-jokey edit summary pointing out poor phrasing, and am being accused by multiple admins I don't remember ever having interacted with of attacking other editors for it. I am very much not the one overreacting.
- Your claimed intentions in writing the line are almost completely irrelevant, for the same reason that "I just meant the thing was stupid when I called it "gay", not that I hate homosexuals" doesn't float as an excuse anywhere in the world, ever. The fact of the matter is that the page portrays the main characteristic distinguishing the Wind Tribe from "humans" is that...they're gingers.
- I did not actually accuse anyone of real-world bigotry. I stated that the way the line was worded was massively offensive (not to mention factually incorrect, as Anju has red hair). Take for instance if you have Moblins that come in different shades, and the page specifically stated something like "There are black and brown Moblins. The black-skinned ones are evil and must be slain immediately." Sure, it's true in that black-skinned Moblins happen to be evil, but that's only because Moblins on the whole are evil (except for a few cases, but let's not get into that right now). I think it would be pretty clear to everyone that that line could was worded about as offensively as it could be, even if that wasn't intentional, and could stand to be corrected.
- Again, the claim that red hair is what separates the Wind Tribe from humans was just completely false to begin with, has nothing to do with what the game actually says, and that focusing on non-evidenced (in fictional case, non-explicit) phenotypes in order to distinguish groups is problematic on a whole 'nother level. Pointed ears are an actual physiological difference that is explicitly called out by the plot as an identified of Hylians, while red hair...occurs in almost every race of humans already, and separating the races by hair or skin color has already been thoroughly discredited (again, by the Hylia and Gerudo).
- I'm really having trouble seeing anything in that edit summary that was rude to an editor, and even if it was, it seems more benign than what is currently being posted on my talk page. I'll admit that I have a pretty high tolerance for offense and may not be spotting what I said that was so rude. Clarify for me, please, how you guys would have worded the edit summary to explain why the edit needed to be made while not hurting anyone's feelings.KrytenKoro 22:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Kryten, you are most certainly not the first person we've talked to about this kind of thing. I assure you, there are multiple precedents that include both editors and staff.
The Zelda Wiki staff places a very high value on positive attitude (namely open-mindedness and assuming good faith) when editing, hence this page. Justin did what he felt was necessary to preserve that standard. You don't have to agree with it; all that we ask is that you respect it. Likewise, we shall respect the justification of your edit, although we personally do not see offense in the original phrasing.
If you think I'm saying this to avoid further argument, then you're absolutely right. There's really no use fussing over this one edit summary, or Justin's response to it. I think it's a terrible waste of time and effort that could be put towards the betterment of the wiki. So let's please put this to rest and move on to more fruitful pursuits. — Hylian King [*] 22:27, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- Sure, but I maintain that I don't see what was beyond the pale with my edit comment, so it's going to be difficult to make sure to avoid it in the future.KrytenKoro 14:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Of course. If the edit summaries become a recurring issue with us, then we'll have to revisit this discussion. If that happens, we'll have more than just one example to talk about. At that point, we'll be in a better position to discuss the matter.