Community talk:SAY BYE ITS YOUR LAST TIME IN THE INTERNET

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[edit] Marked for Deletion, lol

Rolled back. We have the COMMUNITY categories for a reason. The suitability of community articles for zeldawiki.org has been discussed numerous times in the past, and (to my knowledge) each time the official verdict is they can stay. Also, Mr. "link hero of light," I've noticed from some of your statements on the site here that you don't seem to like my activity here very much. If you have a problem with me, please, direct all complaints to my email, dennis[at]vgrc[dot]net. --Captain Cornflake 21:33, 26 February 2008 (EST)

I know about the community category, and although I do not like it here, I have left it alone except this article. It's more of the article's profainity that bothers me than it not being related to Zelda. You are also correct, I don't care for your activity around here. I don't like trolls you see, even if they have only trolled other sites. Never the less, more people probaly wish I was not on this site.--Link hero of light 22:59, 26 February 2008 (EST)

The way I see it is this: It's not really in anybody's way; the page does in no way prevent, disturb or distract users from Zelda related pages. It's just a community page which serves the purpose of being something fun for the the community to enjoy. If you don't enjoy it or feel that you don't belong in the said community, please, leave it alone and let others keep their fun. --Uncle Meat 02:34, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Well said. Bearing in mind that nothing actually links here, you'd have to be actively looking for this article to actually find it (i.e searching or browsing the Community categories). And after all, the wiki was basically founded by the community of sites to which it now belongs, so I think we can allow them some space for community content :) Zelda Wiki.org is moderated, not censored! —Adam ^(talk) 03:02, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Oh noes, community! This sort of thing has been on the Wiki since it was first founded, as the ZU Wiki. It's integral, it's important, it's...win. --Scott

[edit] Deletion

Seriously guys. I've got more interesting "true" stories than this when it comes to hacking in the Zelda community. This kind of page (and especially the images) is a simple waste of space. I really don't that many people care about this, and I'm also sure that many guests to this site would probably be offended by some of the material found on this page. —Alter 22:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Despite the fact I would normally oppose to something with inappropriate content, the fact remains that it is related the community. This isn't just a Zelda Wiki, it's also a community Wiki, and even something like that, I must admit, is a bit important.— Steve 23:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm terribly sorry, but I fail to see the importance. There was no "big" issue or traumatic outcome here. And unless you want all of the other instances that *at least* this big having their own pages, then I suggest we remove it. Also, I've been referring many people to this site, many of whom are children. If had know that pages such as this were here, I probably wouldn't have, and I won't in the future if this kind of content remains. Personally, I don't have a problem with it, other than the fact that I think it degrades and diminishes the quality of the site.

In the end, all I see is potential harm for the site. I really don't think that anyone who wasn't directly involved with this even even cares, so there's not really an upside. The only things that I found mildly interesting about this page were that I hadn't seen it before, and that it actually existed. —Alter 23:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't find that this article degrades the site at all, infact, it show it for what the site truly is in the background. Not to mention, if you'd like to argue with that statement, this article was created by the VGRC's owner, so certainly he wants it on here. He is a part of the community, and just like every other site a part of the collaboration, he has the right to post information and heritage about it. The only reason there aren't any other pages like this is because no one made articles about them, but if anyone wants to, feel free. Suggesting that no one cares is a bit too opinionated, before I even joined, I spent a couple days reading this site's history as well as the sites involved. You can bet I even read this one, it was a laugh, but honestly I find nothing insulting about it at all, all I find in it is humor and the truth.— Steve 23:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps I was wrong in saying "I really don't think that anyone who wasn't directly involved with this even even cares", but don't you think that this kind of information should be kept on it's own website? The people who do care on on that site, for the most part. I'm from Zelda Dungeon (currently, anyway), and would I care about something like this if it happened to ZD? Maybe a little, but I would look for it on the ZD site, and not here anyway. I really don't see a reason to keep it on here. Very few people would look for that kind of information here, not to mention that having what many people consider to be "pointless articles" will likely turn them off to site.Besides, VGRC isn't even a mastermind here, and from what I've seen, they don't have a lot to do with Zelda. —Alter 01:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll make you a deal, if you can contact every webmaster a part of the collaboration, asking them if you can delete all of their information off of the wiki, then I'm all up for having this page deleted too.— Steve 01:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

No need to get hostile about this Steve. I was thinking of also deleting this, since I don't see how it pertains to Zelda, much like the misc SSBB stuff like Andross, etc. But if you want to keep it up you can. Mm. -   YUSEI  01:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

That misses the point. It doesn't have to do with Zelda. It is a community page so it has information about the community. This is also a community wiki. That was a big reason why it was founded as a group effort. So there will be just one central wiki instead of a lot of little smaller ones.—Matt ^(T C F S) 01:51, July 13, 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't mean to be "hostile", simply I was explaining what the admins constantly have to remind people that this is a community wiki, not just Zelda. I was being serious about that offer, but honestly I don't think they'd oblige, Austin has been working on a site like that. As for SSB content, those are spin-offs just like Tingle's Rupeeland, which I couldn't imagine getting rid of.— Steve 01:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

This is just like the Couples of ZD page. There is nothing that makes it any different. Also, Alter, about your comment regarding you, "think such a page should belong on the said site" well, this site's webmaster is a Zelda Wiki bureaucrat. Therefore this site is part of the Zelda Community.—Mandi ^(T C) 01:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow. Let's calm down here. First off, no one needs to explain to me that this is a "community wiki". I joined knowing that. Secondly, I was unaware that he was a bureaucrat. Sorry, but it still doesn't change much in my view. As you know, Mandi, I'm still against having the Couples pages. But... this is different. This is even more insignificant, not to mention it contains material which is offensive to some people. We're talking a whole other ball game here.

In the end, I don't see how this benefits anybody! I see how it creates arguments and disunity, though. I mean, why keep it? It's not a great page, it has little to nothing to do with the Zelda community, and it's relatively offensive to boot. I see no purpose. I think a line needs to be drawn somewhere. I keep seeing more and more pointless pages pop up here every day. Shouldn't this page at least be moved to the VGRC page? —Alter 04:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, for what it's worth I'll throw in my point of view. I should point out that my perspective on this is probably quite different from others, given that I'm one of the more long standing members, but without any vested interest or notable involvement in the community outside of the wiki.

In terms of this particular page, I see no reason for it to be treated any differently from any of the other community articles. I don't consider its content to be offensive; beyond the use of the word "bitch" (which is entirely in context, and quite mild in any case), the article contains no content which gives me real cause for concern.

If we accept that suggestion, then this actually becomes a broader discussion about all community content. This is something that's been brought up numerous times by different people, usually with the same result. Community content is here to stay, that much is certain. It's an integral part of the wiki, which is after all driven by and intrinsically linked to the community which it serves. To class any of this content as irrelevant or unnecessary is to misunderstand the nature and principles of the wiki. My view on the community content remains this; it's tucked away in its own category, and there are no cross links between it and the "main" wiki content. Therefore there's no reason for anyone who disapproves of the community content to view any of it. —Adam ^{[ talk ]} 13:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd rather we just delete to not encourage vandalism. I mean you do something annoying like this and get any sort of lasting recognition, it shows others something they can do to make a name for themselves. It's not even really that hidden on the site, everytime I use the search box and type in "s" it's one of the first things to show up. Axiomist (talk) 03:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh please. A page documenting how the community slams and humiliates a hacker encourages users to hack Zelda sites? Seriously, can't we have any community content in this wiki without going through this exact conversation (now for the second time for this page, I might add). Oh, another thing: At the time this took place, VGRC and ZeldaInformer (of which Captain Cornflake is also the owner of) shared the same forum, so this was an attack on a Zelda site just as well. -Uncle Meat 07:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Guys, give it a rest. What is offensive about the page? Oh, it has the word bitch? Wait, it's used in context? So whats the problem here? Children? This is the internet folks, if you can't handle a few bad words then you shouldn't be on it. Hell, if this is a problem, then why is ZI here at all? We've been known to use a few swear words in context in our news posts. Come now. The page is humerous, deals with history of a site/owner in the community, and is more an archiving of events. It's a intragual part of the wiki and the discussion always ends the same way. Just give a rest already. -Nathan 03:24, 08 August 2009 (UTC)

Seems the general consensus is to keep the pages, So I removed the delete tag and protected the page. Axiomist (talk) 15:36, 6 August 2009 (UTC)